‘No jab, no job’ policies may be legal

It may be legal for companies to insist on new staff being vaccinated as a condition of their employment, the justice secretary has said.

However, Robert Buckland said it was unlikely bosses could make existing workers have vaccines under their current contracts.

Downing Street has said it would be “discriminatory” to order people to be vaccinated to keep their job.

But some firms say they will not hire new staff who refuse to have the jab… More here.

I believe Tom warned about things like this in our recent podcast.

And then I saw the video above on TV which is attempting to encourage ethnic minorities to take the vaccine in the UK.

Is it just me or does it sound like some creepy science fiction government trying to get people to do something they are wary of, particularly near the end? “Take the vaccine or you will be eliminated…”

I don’t think I am being paranoid here, but I worry that this approach is far from ideal.

17 thoughts on “‘No jab, no job’ policies may be legal

  1. How did we do it with the polio vaccine?

  2. I can’t remember what was done, although I know I was vaccinated. Now, Ontario requires a whole series of vaccinations to attend primary and secondary school. I wouldn’t be surprised if they added Covid to the list. However there are exemptions available based on medical reasons, or conscience or religion.

    1. I think we had the same exceptions, but everyone I knew got the polio vaccine. It was given at school just like all the other vaccinations.

      1. I think it comes down to the point of not being allowed to go to school without a vaccine.

  3. It’s so touchy. They have a right to refuse, but do we have a right to not be subjected to their presence possibly spreading disease? There are both sides to consider.

  4. This reminds me of the seat belt argument. There are regulations in place for everyone’s safety. As far as I know, in Canada, and I expect the U.S. and U.K., there is nothing stopping a government from mandating something like a vaccine for the public good, with the appropriate exceptions. And I don’t think there’s any law that prohibits a business from requiring that anyone entering, either customer or employee, has the appropriate protections.

    1. Indeed, but it sticks in my head that mandating putting something in your body feels like a reach to me. Half way through the podcast with Tom the other day I found myself on the fence somewhat.

  5. I look at it the other way. You don’t want to get the vaccine? Fine, but you can’t come near me, and that’s my right as well. I suppose one could argue the same thing with the flu or any other potentially dangerous virus but Covid is exceptionally dangerous.

    If someone acting dangerously walked into a place of business, they would be asked or forced to leave. I honestly don’t know if someone has the “right” to refuse. I suppose one has the “right” to do or not do anything, but there may be consequences.

    1. “I honestly don’t know if someone has the “right” to refuse.” They absolutely should have that right. But, the authorities should then have the right to refuse them a normal life. This gets tricky because Tom, for example, believes that someone should not be effectively forced to have an injection to have a normal life. So difficult.

  6. If we didn’t have such an uninformed society we wouldn’t have these problems. That’s a whole other issue, but it’s all wrapped up together. How far does free speech go?

    1. Free speech should go pretty far in my opinion, but I agree it allows crazy amounts of misinformation. It’s like the internet has caused ripples over all of the things we have held precious until now.

    2. I took a look at the Ontario vaccination information site earlier and it’s interesting how much there is about how vaccines are not dangerous.

  7. I know analogies are tricky, but for example, there are speed limits on the roads. I could argue that it’s my right to be able to drive as fast as I want. After all, it’s my car and my taxes paid for the road. The regulations are there to protect everyone. So I can drive faster than the speed limit, but I have to face the consequences. In this case, I may lose my license and if I have an accident, I may face criminal charges.

    1. That is a good analogy as it happens. Still stuck in my head that people ‘have’ to have a medical procedure in this case. We don’t have the mandated vaccines for schools in the UK

      1. That’s quite surprising. I would have thought that vaccines for childhood diseases would be required given the NHS is publicly funded. Does the NHS cover vaccinations? Our health system does here.

        1. Parents in England are currently allowed to refuse to let their child get vaccinated, but Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said he is “looking very seriously” at changing that.

          Some experts have suggested that compulsory vaccination may be necessary to address falling rates, and Hancock has said that he has taken legal advice on how the government could go about it.

        2. They are free on the NHS

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